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Old 07-28-2004, 01:07 AM
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A little while ago I got my hands on a Gmail account, Google's "new" Webmail service. With all the hype and hoopla, I will admit that I could have been more impressed, but it's still a fairly nice tool. What really struck me is the number of people who spoke up about Google serving ads through Adsense which scan your emails. First, let's talk about the actual service.

It works, for the most part, aside from a few bugs. I experienced one of these bugs logging in, whereupon I was sent to a blank page repeatedly. Deleting cookies, restarting Mozilla, and switching to IE didn't seem to help. Apparently the Gmail Angel caught wind of it eventually, as the problem disappeared somewhat abruptly.

It isn't supposed to be finished yet, though. So bugs are to be expected.

The actual interfaace is decent. The scripting makes it fairly quick to get around, it's clean, although it does look a little pre-schoolish with the color selections. A templating/style settings option would be favorable.

A full gig of disk space is pretty nice, too. I couldn't imagine needing anywhere near that much space, but I guess I can find comfort in the fact that I can browse email from decades past long into my future; accessing Gmail with my wireless cranially embedded supercomputer, of course.

Anyway, back to the advertising thing. Google is providing a free webmail service. In exchange for all of this time and effort, they are seeking to recover a little revenue by placing a few ads on the page you view your email (as many webmail providers do). Unlike other providers, Google is scanning every email to determine keywords so they can serve up targetted ads. Apparently this is making a lot of people upset, when it really shouldn't.

There is no a team of Google employees reading your juicy emails and selecting the appropriate ads. It is a done with computers in an entirely automated fashion, and ads are seleted on the fly. This way, a human will never actually come in contact with or read your email.

The sophisticated gripers would attest to the fact that while the scanning itself is not an intrusion, the auxilary effects of the ads can be malicious.

For example, you are negotiating a deal for a large order of Dog Socks with a client via Gmail, and Google cleverly shows the client advertising for Discount Dog Socks, Rock Bottom Prices! and you lose the sale to the Evil ad.

Basically, this is saying that the chance of inviting competition is increased by negotiating with a client using Gmail. While this is partially true, where does the responsibility for this ruthless intrusion fall?

Google is being smart. They are leveraging everything they have to compensate for the investment they have made in Gmail, and within reason.

For any company that negotiates business via email, they already have a responsibility to use their heads. Email is not a secure medium. Furthermore, what is done with your email when it reaches that potential customer is already out of your control. What if, in that email, you provided a cost for 5,000 units of Dog Socks with Ultra Fleece, and the recipient in turn took that information to another company to compare prices? Is that a violation of your privacy, that the customer wants to find a good deal, and used your quote to do so? Of course not. Having Google do some of the "footwork" for the customer is only a convenience for them in this case (assuming the ads are actually relevant, and used).

Personally, I want my clients to come to me out of confidence, and recognize my value for what it is, not to be hoodwinked or forced into a sale. As a consumer myself, I want to be free to make my own choices, and a company that is afraid of its own value is not going to make me very confident.

So, for businesses that fear their competition is being increased with client's who use Gmail, I suggest you take a closer look at your own value, and what kind of relationship you are building with your customers.

For businesses that fear Gmail is committing some intrusion of privacy, I suggest you seek a more secure method of communication in the first place.... Read more...
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Old 07-28-2004, 10:58 AM
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Tekime this is off topic , but did you write your blog software? or did you install it from another source? I'm looking for a decent tiny blog program to implement into the Digital Mercs site for listing site updates, and news.. I was messing with Minibloggie, but I dont think its what i'm looking for...
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Doh posted too soon found the "B2 revolution" link looks cool...
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The other day I was placing orders for some fishing lures or some such thing and I found myself needing to find an email I put in a folder on my Hotmail account. After looking through the 80-100 emails for 40 seconds or so, I thought to myself, "Man, it would be cool if I could just type a search in somewhere and find the specific email I was looking for." Then it struck me. That is exactly what Gmail's archiving is all about. There aren't any folders, so finding an email according to its date is simple because all of your emails are in order via the date. But if you want to find something on an order you made of Memorex CDRs 8 months ago, type in 'Memorex' and you're good to rock and roll in seconds, not minutes. It makes sense. That's what is so cool about it; it just makes sense.

On the other hand, I too have been experiencing the blank page syndrome and have found clearing the cache solves it. This is annoying, but like the blog post says, Gmail is still in the Beta phase.

Another cool feature is the way it uses JavaScript and the W3C DOM to load all of your unarchived emails and the labeling, starring, and composing interfaces right at the beginning when you login. There's no dawdling to load each individual email. It is a little slow to log into on a slower connection, but it is so convenient otherwise.

These assclowns that have a problem with the way Gmail is operating can solve their own problem with it by simply not using it. They should be happy that their Yahoo! or Hotmail accounts have upgraded to larger storage capacities, if nothing else.
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Yeah, just using b2 for now.
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The other day I was placing orders for some fishing lures or some such thing and I found myself needing to find an email I put in a folder on my Hotmail account. After looking through the 80-100 emails for 40 seconds or so, I thought to myself, "Man, it would be cool if I could just type a search in somewhere and find the specific email I was looking for." Then it struck me. That is exactly what Gmail's archiving is all about. There aren't any folders, so finding an email according to its date is simple because all of your emails are in order via the date. But if you want to find something on an order you made of Memorex CDRs 8 months ago, type in 'Memorex' and you're good to rock and roll in seconds, not minutes. It makes sense. That's what is so cool about it; it just makes sense.
Very true, searching is one thing I neglected to mention. The search facility is definitely a neat addition.


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Another cool feature is the way it uses JavaScript and the W3C DOM to load all of your unarchived emails and the labeling, starring, and composing interfaces right at the beginning when you login. There's no dawdling to load each individual email. It is a little slow to log into on a slower connection, but it is so convenient otherwise.
Yep, I love the speed of the interface, once they can work out the bugs. The actual source confuses me though, the sheer lack of a header, doctype, and html declaration plus the use of frames seems needless.

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These assclowns that have a problem with the way Gmail is operating can solve their own problem with it by simply not using it. They should be happy that their Yahoo! or Hotmail accounts have upgraded to larger storage capacities, if nothing else.
Damn straight!!
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